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		<title>By: Pancho</title>
		<link>http://thebikeshow.net/road-test-londons-new-cycle-hire-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-4990</link>
		<dc:creator>Pancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a shame not to have confined the banks logo to the saddle it would have made more sense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a shame not to have confined the banks logo to the saddle it would have made more sense</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example of the government competing with small business. Bike hire businesses now are out of business. The government are too hard to compete against..They now are also cashing in on hire cars for london city, competing with hire car companies using the congestion charge inclusive as an incentive – how can you compete with that. Next they will be opening coffee shops!! And this from a city who bans cycling in all london city parks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of the government competing with small business. Bike hire businesses now are out of business. The government are too hard to compete against..They now are also cashing in on hire cars for london city, competing with hire car companies using the congestion charge inclusive as an incentive – how can you compete with that. Next they will be opening coffee shops!! And this from a city who bans cycling in all london city parks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjoern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjoern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it would be just us Germans who are complaining about everything. 
Why not ignoring the whole thing, walking or having an own bike for driving on plain roads without any markings? Nobody has to use the Barclays coloured cycle highways or the ugly bikes. Those who use them know that it&#039;s a good thing they have waited for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it would be just us Germans who are complaining about everything.<br />
Why not ignoring the whole thing, walking or having an own bike for driving on plain roads without any markings? Nobody has to use the Barclays coloured cycle highways or the ugly bikes. Those who use them know that it&#8217;s a good thing they have waited for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bumper stickers over the Barclay&#039;s name work just fine, right?  Painter&#039;s tape?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bumper stickers over the Barclay&#8217;s name work just fine, right?  Painter&#8217;s tape?</p>
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		<title>By: The Bonk</title>
		<link>http://thebikeshow.net/road-test-londons-new-cycle-hire-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-4927</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buy a bicycle and become an actual cyclist.</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great investment in public access to cycling. The pricing is attractive and sensible, the bikes look sturdy and practical, and I&#039;d be happy to ride one. They&#039;ve borrowed basically everything from the Paris Vélib, pricing, design etc. I only wish they&#039;d done it five years ago.

Now, when are they going to get separate cycle lanes (with kerbs) like in Paris and Amsterdam? That would be a better. Secondly, when are they going to roll this out in the provinces (dibs on Manchester first!)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great investment in public access to cycling. The pricing is attractive and sensible, the bikes look sturdy and practical, and I&#8217;d be happy to ride one. They&#8217;ve borrowed basically everything from the Paris Vélib, pricing, design etc. I only wish they&#8217;d done it five years ago.</p>
<p>Now, when are they going to get separate cycle lanes (with kerbs) like in Paris and Amsterdam? That would be a better. Secondly, when are they going to roll this out in the provinces (dibs on Manchester first!)?</p>
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		<title>By: Jezza</title>
		<link>http://thebikeshow.net/road-test-londons-new-cycle-hire-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-4899</link>
		<dc:creator>Jezza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The negotiations probably went down something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLsqHuxP5s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The negotiations probably went down something like this: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLsqHuxP5s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLsqHuxP5s</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://thebikeshow.net/road-test-londons-new-cycle-hire-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-4898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jezza: Agree completely. They must have had Barclays lined up for ages before announcing the deal, because those lanes have been that shade of blue in the plans for a long time. I think we should be told when the deal was done, and why it took so long for it to be announced. FoI time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jezza: Agree completely. They must have had Barclays lined up for ages before announcing the deal, because those lanes have been that shade of blue in the plans for a long time. I think we should be told when the deal was done, and why it took so long for it to be announced. FoI time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jezza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jezza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the painting of public streets with Barclays corporate colour that I object to.</description>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@WMY: I don&#039;t know if the Mayor of London owns advertising hoardings that could have been sold/traded/bartered/given away to a company sponsoring the cycle hire scheme. One would hope that the Assembly would scrutinise the Barclays sponsorship deal to ensure it provided best value for money. That&#039;s their job.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the end of the world and I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll all learn subliminally to blank out the branding.

In some ways you could argue that sponsorship from a big, well-known &#039;respectable&#039; company  (note the inverted commas) is a way of bringing cycling ever further into the mainstream of our society. In this country we do seem still to be stuck with a common perception of people who ride bikes as poor, mad or otherwise &#039;other&#039;. Or am I looking too hard for a silver lining?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@WMY: I don&#8217;t know if the Mayor of London owns advertising hoardings that could have been sold/traded/bartered/given away to a company sponsoring the cycle hire scheme. One would hope that the Assembly would scrutinise the Barclays sponsorship deal to ensure it provided best value for money. That&#8217;s their job.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the end of the world and I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll all learn subliminally to blank out the branding.</p>
<p>In some ways you could argue that sponsorship from a big, well-known &#8216;respectable&#8217; company  (note the inverted commas) is a way of bringing cycling ever further into the mainstream of our society. In this country we do seem still to be stuck with a common perception of people who ride bikes as poor, mad or otherwise &#8216;other&#8217;. Or am I looking too hard for a silver lining?</p>
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		<title>By: WMY</title>
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		<dc:creator>WMY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, I grasped it first time round, thanks :)

Actually, Paris didn&#039;t give the space away for free, they *sold* the ad concession for 1500+ sites (plus discreet branding on the bikes) to JCDecaux in return for funding the startup costs. 

The JCDecaux deal is qualitatively different since they are in the business of selling advertising space (and can more easily value such a deal in terms of their core revenue-generating activities), while the Barclays deal is a simply a marketing expense. 

My question is, did we Londoners sell ourselves cheap? Without knowing the contractual details, it&#039;s impossible to be sure. But, let&#039;s look at the publicly available numbers, shall we?

According to reports [http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23839406-boris-bike-hire-scheme-gets-a-pound-25m-bonus-from-barclays.do], Barclays will pay £25m over 5 years.

That&#039;s a £5m-per-year ad deal for the privilege of having 6000 bikes and 400 central London docking stations at 300m intervals, branded with their logo (six per bike, actually, in case you missed it the first five times).

TfL estimates the scheme will generate 40,000 extra trips (over the current 0.5m) a day x 365 = 14.6m trips a year. In other words, Barclays pays circa 35p per trip for blanket mobile advertising across central London. And that includes trips made during Olympic Summer 2012. 

By paying 35p per trip, even if the average journey time were only 10 mins, that would equate to paying £2.10 an hour to recruit the twenty-first century equivalent of a sandwich-board man. Sounds like a great deal... for Barclays.

And yes, in my previous reply, I did suggest that providing Barclays with equivalent value on existing ad sites, would have been preferable to the garish branding we&#039;ll have to endure (as onlookers), and parade (as cyclists) for the next half decade.

PS. Great show - keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I grasped it first time round, thanks <img src='http://thebikeshow.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Actually, Paris didn&#8217;t give the space away for free, they *sold* the ad concession for 1500+ sites (plus discreet branding on the bikes) to JCDecaux in return for funding the startup costs. </p>
<p>The JCDecaux deal is qualitatively different since they are in the business of selling advertising space (and can more easily value such a deal in terms of their core revenue-generating activities), while the Barclays deal is a simply a marketing expense. </p>
<p>My question is, did we Londoners sell ourselves cheap? Without knowing the contractual details, it&#8217;s impossible to be sure. But, let&#8217;s look at the publicly available numbers, shall we?</p>
<p>According to reports [http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23839406-boris-bike-hire-scheme-gets-a-pound-25m-bonus-from-barclays.do], Barclays will pay £25m over 5 years.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a £5m-per-year ad deal for the privilege of having 6000 bikes and 400 central London docking stations at 300m intervals, branded with their logo (six per bike, actually, in case you missed it the first five times).</p>
<p>TfL estimates the scheme will generate 40,000 extra trips (over the current 0.5m) a day x 365 = 14.6m trips a year. In other words, Barclays pays circa 35p per trip for blanket mobile advertising across central London. And that includes trips made during Olympic Summer 2012. </p>
<p>By paying 35p per trip, even if the average journey time were only 10 mins, that would equate to paying £2.10 an hour to recruit the twenty-first century equivalent of a sandwich-board man. Sounds like a great deal&#8230; for Barclays.</p>
<p>And yes, in my previous reply, I did suggest that providing Barclays with equivalent value on existing ad sites, would have been preferable to the garish branding we&#8217;ll have to endure (as onlookers), and parade (as cyclists) for the next half decade.</p>
<p>PS. Great show &#8211; keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@WMY: I think a Barclays Royal Family would be fantastic.

Perhaps you haven&#039;t quite grasped the fact that in the Paris sponsorship deal the city *gave* JC Decaux the use of thousands of city poster sites for free  - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9lib%27#Financing

So it was a different kind of a deal. Perhaps you&#039;d prefer that more indirect form of corporate subsidy, for instance if TfL had given Barclays all the tube advertising space for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@WMY: I think a Barclays Royal Family would be fantastic.</p>
<p>Perhaps you haven&#8217;t quite grasped the fact that in the Paris sponsorship deal the city *gave* JC Decaux the use of thousands of city poster sites for free  &#8211; see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9lib%27#Financing" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9lib%27#Financing</a></p>
<p>So it was a different kind of a deal. Perhaps you&#8217;d prefer that more indirect form of corporate subsidy, for instance if TfL had given Barclays all the tube advertising space for free.</p>
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		<title>By: WMY</title>
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		<dc:creator>WMY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jack &quot;sponsorship can keep the price... down, and help save scarce tax money&quot; - by that reasoning, we could have a sponsored royal family and save the £7.9m civil list expense! The value of the cycle scheme is not just about being able to offer cheap bikes, but a broader objective of supporting and increasing the numbers of cyclists, while attempting to &#039;normalise&#039; the activity of cycling. So, it&#039;s not just about the cost, it&#039;s about creating an environment where ordinary people can experience and become comfortable about cycling in the city. 

I&#039;m not against the idea of sponsorship; JC Decaux&#039;s low-key branding of their bikes (you can also add the excellent Seville cycle scheme to that list) is unobstrusive and dignified. It wouldn&#039;t have been difficult to have struck a similar contra deal with Barclays (eg. in exchange for advertising on the tube, where they could quite rightly cross-promote their support of the scheme with acres of warm, fuzzy copy).

We don&#039;t have sponsored traffic lights (just imagine all that undivided attention!) or sponsored pedestrian crossings (all that lovely white space!) even though it would save money, because it would signal the wrong message about public commitment to road safety. This &#039;free&#039; cycle hire scheme sends the message that it considers its prospective users to be no better than cheap human pedal power for valuable mobile advertising space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jack &#8220;sponsorship can keep the price&#8230; down, and help save scarce tax money&#8221; &#8211; by that reasoning, we could have a sponsored royal family and save the £7.9m civil list expense! The value of the cycle scheme is not just about being able to offer cheap bikes, but a broader objective of supporting and increasing the numbers of cyclists, while attempting to &#8216;normalise&#8217; the activity of cycling. So, it&#8217;s not just about the cost, it&#8217;s about creating an environment where ordinary people can experience and become comfortable about cycling in the city. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against the idea of sponsorship; JC Decaux&#8217;s low-key branding of their bikes (you can also add the excellent Seville cycle scheme to that list) is unobstrusive and dignified. It wouldn&#8217;t have been difficult to have struck a similar contra deal with Barclays (eg. in exchange for advertising on the tube, where they could quite rightly cross-promote their support of the scheme with acres of warm, fuzzy copy).</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have sponsored traffic lights (just imagine all that undivided attention!) or sponsored pedestrian crossings (all that lovely white space!) even though it would save money, because it would signal the wrong message about public commitment to road safety. This &#8216;free&#8217; cycle hire scheme sends the message that it considers its prospective users to be no better than cheap human pedal power for valuable mobile advertising space.</p>
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		<title>By: Ten Inch Wheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ten Inch Wheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t care if it looks like a rubber chicken.  I&#039;ll definitely use it. Even though I cycle every day on my own bike, I can think of dozens of situations where one of these would be useful.  I think it&#039;ll be a mahoosive success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t care if it looks like a rubber chicken.  I&#8217;ll definitely use it. Even though I cycle every day on my own bike, I can think of dozens of situations where one of these would be useful.  I think it&#8217;ll be a mahoosive success.</p>
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		<title>By: ubercurmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubercurmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that tamper-proofing, low gearing to discourage racing, no basket because they would fill up with trash, the need for corporate sponsorship, etc, etc, etc. No criticism of TfL, I&#039;m sure these things are necessary. It is just depressing. We really can&#039;t have nice things, can we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that tamper-proofing, low gearing to discourage racing, no basket because they would fill up with trash, the need for corporate sponsorship, etc, etc, etc. No criticism of TfL, I&#8217;m sure these things are necessary. It is just depressing. We really can&#8217;t have nice things, can we?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Bonk: So, let me get this right, you rather like the bike?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Bonk: So, let me get this right, you rather like the bike?</p>
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		<title>By: The Bonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has to be one of the most vulgar creations I have ever had the displeasure to witness. Why on earth would someone want to ride around on a bicycle with a ruddy great Barclays bank ad on it? The argument for this kind of scheme is that it gets people on bikes. That&#039;s not a bike, it&#039;s an abomination. It&#039;s foul. I&#039;d sooner crawl on hot broken glass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to be one of the most vulgar creations I have ever had the displeasure to witness. Why on earth would someone want to ride around on a bicycle with a ruddy great Barclays bank ad on it? The argument for this kind of scheme is that it gets people on bikes. That&#8217;s not a bike, it&#8217;s an abomination. It&#8217;s foul. I&#8217;d sooner crawl on hot broken glass.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Paris and Lyon schemes are effectively sponsored by JC Decaux, the advertising company, who is given free use of the cities&#039; billboards in exchange for paying for the cycle hire scheme. I think sponsorship can keep the price of the hire down, and help save scarce tax money for other things that are not so attractive to corporate sponsors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Paris and Lyon schemes are effectively sponsored by JC Decaux, the advertising company, who is given free use of the cities&#8217; billboards in exchange for paying for the cycle hire scheme. I think sponsorship can keep the price of the hire down, and help save scarce tax money for other things that are not so attractive to corporate sponsors.</p>
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		<title>By: WMY</title>
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		<dc:creator>WMY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can’t we have a free cyclescheme in London, which simply showcases the city’s commitment to environmentally-sound transportation, without the tawdriness of a headline sponsor? It works for other major European city cycleschemes.
 
I’ll bet that BP is next on Boris&#039; waiting list of eager sponsors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can’t we have a free cyclescheme in London, which simply showcases the city’s commitment to environmentally-sound transportation, without the tawdriness of a headline sponsor? It works for other major European city cycleschemes.</p>
<p>I’ll bet that BP is next on Boris&#8217; waiting list of eager sponsors.</p>
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